Thou shalt not wear fake blood on stage unless thy name is Ogre.
Thou shalt not covet another band’s beats and vocals so much that you can’t create anything original on your own.
Thou shalt not whine that nobody’s at the club tonight when you never told anyone else and went with the same three catty, judgmental people who would make fun of any new faces that showed up anyway.
Thou shalt not scream that Faderhead is killing the scene when Faderhead isn’t industrial to begin with, which he’s always said. Thou shalt get over it if you aren’t into it.
Thou shalt not have any other industrial gods than Throbbing Gristle, Skinny Puppy, Coil, Neubauten, pre-crappy Ministry, Front 242, Frontline Assembly, Nitzer Ebb, and Babyland. Okay, a few more, but not any of that boring, cliched stuff, especially the misogynistic shit.
Thou shalt not just dance to overly polished, four on the floor club tracks.
Thou shalt not think that industrial lyrics are just about robots, dystopian futures, consumerism, or WWII. Thou shalt have an open mind and appreciate different perspectives, because evolution is the only way for industrial to thrive.
Thou shalt not sample Full Metal Jacket any longer. Or Network. Or Blade Runner. Or any Hellraiser film. Thou shalt start watching less obvious mainstream movies for ideas.
Thou shalt not act like industrial music is an exclusive sausage party full of white pasty dudes. Thou shalt encourage everyone of every gender, race, and sexual orientation to create industrial.
Thou shalt not apologize or diminish your enthusiasm in front of others for loving industrial or making industrial music. Thou shalt have industrial pride…but never refer to it as that because that probably sounds pretty stupid said out loud.
Thou shalt not follow the rules or trends. Thou shalt set the standard. Thou shalt never follow.
Amen to that!
Anonymous said: Would you ever do gangam style naked in public for money
No but here’s a link to a video of a dude doing it in a mankini :
Anonymous said: Do you have any Goth band recommendations? I'm in a musical rut and keep listening to the same bands over and over. Thank you!
Not sure when this was asked (I haven’t been around a lot on tumblr the last few months) but I’ll do my best. My apologies if my reply is rather late.
Its hard to say what to recommend as I have no idea your knowledge of goth bands. So I’ll assume you know the usual suspects.
Some bands I enjoy (a mix of old and new) that are goth or related in some way :
Children On Stun
Bloody Dead And Sexy
Screaming Banshee Aircrew
She Wants Revenge
The Merry Thoughts
Ghost of Lemora
As I said they aren’t all strictly goth. Some are easy to find, others not so much. Most should have something on youtube so you can at least check them out.
I’m sure most of you have seen the propaganda against Deathrockets that was created by the gothfail tumblr by now.
If not this is the piece that got things started : http://gothfail.tumblr.com/image/62002992660
Right now we have that out the way and before you all start reaching for your pitchforks and start forming online lynch mobs lets get a few things straight.
To start with you have only heard one side of the story. And its a side that had a heavy bias against Deathrockets - not a neutral party.
Gothfail is a blog made purely to make Deathrockets (and associated people) look bad. Almost every post is either a pic, screencap or quote from Deathrockets accompanied by a description to put it in the worst possible light. Gothfail stops at nothing to make Deathrockets admin and regulars look bad.
Yet people blindly share the things Gothfail creates and without question. Why not - if someone took this much time to make it then it must be true. Its a snippet of a conversation so it must have been said and be every awful ISM and IST the original poster can think of. BULLSHIT!
Gothfail is out to destroy these people. And its using your sense of outrage to do it.
That lot at Deathrockets don’t like Joji. Which is fine - we don’t have to like everyone we meet or see online. But its not because he is trans or homosexual. Its because of WHO he is. Not WHAT he is.
They don’t like Joji because they think he’s a wanker, not because he is trans or homosexual.
Gothfail is a blog made purely to make Deathrockets (and associated people) look bad. A look through their blog is enough to show this. If they were legit in trying to rid the goth/deathrock scene of bad elements why do they only target one small group? There are plenty of others out there doing bad they could target too. But they don’t because its all about taking Deathrockets down.
Why - maybe Deathrockets ripped on them once. They’ve made jokes about a few people in the past and many of them they made peace with and left alone once it was clear they didn’t like the joke. Many even became their friends. Hell they rip on themselves more than they rip on anyone else.
I’m not saying Deathrockets are angels and are squeaky clean but in this case they are being vilified for the wrong reasons. They made some comments (in a group you have to search for specifically to find mind you) about a person they don’t like.
They use a lot of common netspeak which many find offensive (eg the term fag). If you have ever played games online you will hear language like this. I’m not saying its right just that it happens. And for some its normal language and not offensive at all. They may be considered derogatory terms outside their circle but within its fine. Think of it like how swearing is more tolerated now than it used to be
But haven’t we all said things about people we don’t like before in semi-public places? Haven’t we all used words that others may find offensive? Its called being human and human beings aren’t perfect.
If you dig hard enough you could find dirt and offensive actions from anyone. Would you like to be judged by your less than perfect moments and mistakes too?
Here is what I think -
Whoever runs Gothfail has a massive grudge against Deathrockets for whatever reason. Its probably something small that the rest of the world has forgotten about. And they are dragging everyone into their feud through the use of shock and outrage through reposts taking material out of context and tumblr activism. The fight is between Gothfail and Deathrockets, there is no need to drag the rest of us into it.
So… are you going to feed the hate machine and ruin some childish, offensive yet mostly harmless people who have an odd sense of humor?
Or are you going to ignore the troll trying to systematically ruin them?
Its your call.
Some more information has been found. Apparently the conversation in the pic happened in December 2011. Almost 2 years ago!
So why didn’t this come out sooner?
Because its being used as ammunition to slander people and was likely only recently discovered by trawling through old records. Which then begs the question of how it was found given the Deathrockets facebook page has been dead and gone for over 6 months.
The plot thickens…
zxiri confessed: “It sort of annoys me when other goths say things like “I don’t feel accepted as a goth because I don’t like reading the same books as other goths, or don’t have pale skin.” or whatever. So what? Most goths don’t like sports nor see the appeal in being a “jock”, and some even think it makes you less of a goth. But that doesn’t stop me from playing two high contact sports. I see it as an extention of my personality, not short comings. I doesn’t mean I like Bauhaus any less than any other goths.”
The image is Bauhaus ft. Peter Murphy’s cheekbones.
If we were all the same life would be pretty boring. Goths are allowed to have outside interests and you don’t have to be on 24/7.
People get confused because some people think the outside interests add to their goth character and define them as goth. So they perceive it as if ‘I am a goth then everything I do must be goth too’ or ‘To be goth I must only have goth interests’. Both of these attitudes aren’t healthy.
Define your gothiness in the goth things but like what you like too. As long as goth is in the mix you are fine. Or you could just be you and not attach a label at all.
blood-is-life-nevermore confessed: “
Why does he have to be considered goth?
You can be goth and like some non-goth things you know.
livelyarts confessed: “it makes me really sad to see so much goth fashion being assimilated into everyday fashion trends. i like being able to guess someone’s music taste just by what they’re wearing walking down the street and now all i have left are my winklepickers and big hair”
Pictured are Simon Gallup and Robert Smith
This isn’t a new thing. Metal (in particular black/doom metal) has been borrowing from goth fashion for years. In turn goth has also borrowed from many other fashion styles.
The only real clue is if they are wearing a band tee or buttons/patches with goth bands on them. Or you could talk to them and not make assumptions.
Admin Note — I came out of my long slumber to respond to this confession made by Deletion.
For what it is worth, I think it is an absolute travesty that you would be made to feel this way by others. You know some horrible people if they shun you for these reasons. And please please don’t do that to your skin! You should never have to do something so drastic to fit in. I don’t know you, but I want you to know that I care about you. Just come here and I will hug you, and we can be goffbuddies! Never feel like you can’t find a place to fit in! Please take a gander at this and know you are not alone! -Batss
I tan in Summer. I just go with it. Australia gets hot and you tan whether you like it or not unless you take extreme measures. Goth isn’t all about being pasty white.
Anyone who says you can’t be goth because you aren’t white is an idiot and making the goth subculture look bad.
That said are you sure its the colour of your skin they have issue with? Maybe you did something to piss them off?
Anon confessed: “While you are definetely still goth if you appreciate the music and dont do the fashion,I still find it sad when see photos of my local goth club and 90% of the people arent dressed goth at all.”
This visual pun is brought to you by Katze
Have you actually looked at videos/photos of goth bands from the 80s doing live performances? A lot of the crowd don’t dress typically goth.
When I was new in the mid-late 90s it was the same. The whole idea of a goth club (if the club you mention is a goth club - people call anything dark alternative goth whether it is or isn’t nowadays) being a sea of black is fairly modern. It really came to a head in the early 00s and unfortunately is still around.
I miss how it used to be where people weren’t expected to dress in all black and fill the stereotypes. Made things more interesting and it was more inclusive. You don’t have to be a goth to appreciate goth music nor do you have to be goth to enjoy a ‘goth’ club.
Just be you, enjoy what you enjoy and let others enjoy it too. As long as they aren’t claiming to be goth if they clearly are not what harm are they doing? Its keeping your local scene alive.